Lack of results

topic posted Sat, January 26, 2008 - 4:01 PM by  Jon
I've tried several different kinds of magick, and feel like I'm not getting any results, aside from feeling an energetic shift when doing ritual work. Sometimes I wonder if all this magickal work I'm doing is just a superstitious waste of time. I really want to believe it's real, but I don't have much to show for it. The only real success that seemed in any way convincing was when I sought protection from someone who was a major negative influence on my life(an energy vampire I used to work for). Since then, I've done spells for love, prosperity, and for increasing my psychic abilities, none of which seem to have materialized yet. I've tried magickal herbs, essential oils, invocations, and creating magickal entities, but nothing seems to bring the results I want. I guess it would be hard for you guys to tell me what I'm doing wrong without seeing how I've been doing it, but I'm wondering if anyone has found a certain element to be essential for effective magick. Anyone have any tips?
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    Re: Lack of results

    Sat, January 26, 2008 - 4:10 PM
    Keep plugging away at it, don't give up. Sometimes thing manifest in way you would lest expect. Look at every little detail in your life. Good luck. It Will Happen. Just believe, Jon.
  • Re: Lack of results

    Sat, January 26, 2008 - 4:22 PM
    do you believe magick works? do you even believe in magick? strange, subtle energies are working, lurking around you, and you don't even notice. everything you do is a creation... you may not get what you want, but the magick is done... magick works THROUGH YOU, so if you are not ready, then magick will not work the way you want it to.
    • Re: Lack of results

      Sat, January 26, 2008 - 4:57 PM
      I have taken magick as a matter of faith for a while. It is only after trying it many times and getting frustrated with the lack of results that I've began to have doubts. I sincerely want to believe, and every now and then I see something that gives me hope, but it gets harder and harder to believe in something when the proof is not forthcoming.
      • Re: Lack of results

        Sat, January 26, 2008 - 8:14 PM
        Have you considered that you've never really believed magick to work? With the backgrounds that mosbunall Westerners come from being heavily Christianized and the dominance of Scientific Materialism, the belief that magick doesn't work is deeply hammered in a lot of unconscious minds. Perhaps you can investigate your deep beliefs and see if there's anything there blocking or limiting you.

        I haven't had much 'luck' with magick either, but I think a large part of that had to do with unconscious beliefs and then another part with not really knowing what the hell to do. I feel that I'm making progress and learning really hands-on effective stuff right now at the Maybe Logic class.

        Keep at it and something will give.
  • Re: Lack of results

    Sat, January 26, 2008 - 4:45 PM
    You talk about trying things, but not about learning things. Learn first, then practice.
    • Re: Lack of results

      Sat, January 26, 2008 - 5:01 PM
      I'm a kinesthetic learner. I learn through practice. If I read something without putting it into practice, I'll surely forget it.
      • Re: Lack of results

        Sat, January 26, 2008 - 5:07 PM
        So what have you learned?
        • Re: Lack of results

          Sat, January 26, 2008 - 5:32 PM
          That whatever I'm doing wrong, the books I'm reading aren't very helpful at figuring it out.
          • Re: Lack of results

            Sat, January 26, 2008 - 7:28 PM
            I'm confused. You learn by doing, but are expecting the books to help you figure it out? And what you learned by either method doesn't work?
          • Re: Lack of results

            Sun, January 27, 2008 - 3:48 PM
            You don't need to figure things out. You learn by experience... books are guides, but they are other people's perceptions. Magick is such a personal thing that I don't believe in doing things exactly by the book, it will make you miss valuable points in your own experience.

            Books are great information sources... they are tools. For example, in your other topic you mentioned you smeared blood on your magical symbols and expected them to be charged by that. That's ok, but was that really appropriate? Getting some reference books and finding the right correspondences to the things you want to accomplish will enrich your practice greatly... and you could also find a teacher too. You're taking an approach that is too simplistic for such a great task that is MAGICK. If you continue you will end up feeling dumb because nothing will seem to work, or even destroying yourself if yu persist in working with things you still do not understand.
            • Re: Lack of results

              Sun, January 27, 2008 - 3:57 PM
              you gotta learn by doing things one step at a time . there is always big leaps in learning and experience.
              for you though i would try easier things like finding money ,receiving a gift, finding a parking space.
              also to make magick works you have have to put some effort into it. effort meaning if you look for money look at the ground and be alert and aware , buy someone a gift and be really nice to people, looking for space to park and being patient.
              you gotta meet magick halfway sometimes magick can make stuff appear right before your eyes too , just dont get discouraged.
              dont forget to be specific too if you want specific things.
          • Re: Lack of results

            Wed, February 6, 2008 - 1:35 PM
            Books can't make you an effective magician. Read the concepts, try the practices out, but most importantly make what you do your own....how much of yourself are you really giving to this process?
  • Re: Lack of results

    Mon, January 28, 2008 - 9:27 AM
    Speaking from experience, yeah, I have had quite a few spells not manifest for me. I have done quite a few money spells for myself, and they never really turned out. Part of that I realize is that I am just not good at those things. Not in terms of skill or practice, but its just harder for me for some reason. So maybe those spells you were working for (love, psychic abilities, whatever the rest were I can't remember) are just things that you lack a strong ability with. But protection magic, well, there you go. You have ability with that. It clicks for you. Work with your strengths and you may find with practice and application, that other things start to fall in place as well.

    On the other hand, what are you asking for? What results are you seeking out? When doing a money spell, are you asking for something realistic to your situation? What practical steps are you taking to give something the opportunity to manifest? If you go asking for millions of dollars, are you buying lottery tickets, or applying for jobs that can pay that much, or having something you can sell that can net that much? If asking for psychic abilities , which ones? Do you try to practice with the desired psychic abilities? If you are trying to read peoples minds, go out and study psychology. If you want precognitive abilities, learn a divinational tool. If looking for love, whats your social life like? Do you go out and meet people? If you find them on the internet, do you suggest meeting up in person? do you look for people who live in your area, or you do often scan farther afield? Try being more focused on where people actually are. Go to a bar, coffee shop, class, book signing, Practical results magic is exactly that, practical. Especially at the beginning. If you aren't willing to take practical steps, then how strong is your desire for those things really anyway?
    • Re: Lack of results

      Mon, January 28, 2008 - 4:36 PM
      very good point akira and hermetic.

      reminds when i went on a trip where there was a cult at this place that did a ritual with the god of war and machines to manifest a truck. some poor guy had a truck break down there and forgot his meds so he got help from some dude who claimed to be adept chinese medicine and giving this guys the opposite of what he need from my formal schooling of chinese medicine and the use of the 5 elemants and their herbs and plants. seemed like coincidence or maybe and really stupid evil mans plot to satisfy his ego that he manifested a truck because, hey the guy had aids and left his meds had a cold and was given herbs and such to takie more heat of his body. sounds like someone trying to manifest pneumonia to me. could it be a conspiracy ? from people who say openly "its a conspiracy" with a smile
  • Re: Lack of results

    Tue, February 5, 2008 - 9:35 PM
    Jon,

    Have you tried sigil magic? Personally, I wouldn't do anything that has the label "spells". I recomend work with the Kaballistic Cross, Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram, and sigil magic.

    Some good sources are:

    Liber MMM which you can download for free.
    Oven Ready Chaos also free.
    Pratical Sigil Magic by Fra. U.D.

    Good luck.
    • Re: Lack of results

      Tue, February 5, 2008 - 9:38 PM
      Thanks for the recommendations. I already practice the Kabbalistic Cross and Lesser Banishing Ritual, and have been wanting to get into sigil magic, but haven't found the right books. I own a book on the subject called "The Book of Results," but it doesn't explain it very well. I'll look into the books you suggested.
      • Re: Lack of results

        Mon, February 18, 2008 - 8:33 AM
        This isn't a tool from any of the standard magick practices, but it is a helpful little trick from the Hawaiian shamanic system that will help build up your confidence level and should thus improve the effectiveness of your other spells.

        As you go through your day give commands for things to be as they are. For example, you are driving in your car, tell the pavement to be black, the guardrails to be the exact height that they are, the blue car in front of you to be blue, etc. After a while of doing this you can start to make subtle changes to actually change the outside reality to be different in some way. Go slow and repeat often.

        • Re: Lack of results

          Mon, February 18, 2008 - 5:38 PM
          one of the most common reasons for lack of results
          is the inability to let go of, release and forget the operation and its goal.

          Some people find ways to distract or trick themselves into moving on
          so that their rational mind does not interfere with the signal that they just sent....

          Having a practice that you can immerse yourself in quickly that is not related to the ritual
          so that you can fully release it and forget it...
          may be good.

          I have had long strings of seemingly ineffectual rituals (that were trying to make specific changes in my mundane life)
          and then when i looked back over the year, discovered that they were quite poetically accurate in how they came about,
          just not what i thought that i wanted at the time.

          But this is the sort of thing that we tell ourselves so that we don't think it's all shit.
  • Re: Lack of results

    Wed, March 5, 2008 - 8:41 PM
    You know what? I'm really glad you posted this bulletin because it got reflecting on my life. There's totally been things that have happened to me that were nothing short of miracles. It's not about the technique it's about the attitude. In fact none of the examples I came up with would even be considered "magick" in the text book sense of the word.

    Like the time I was surfing and got caught in a storm and was dragged under a pier. I was drowning. I was about be dead. It was so bad I started cutting deals the God and all that shit! haha! Then I caught myself and said "wait a minute, I dont even believe in God. whatever somebody fucking help me!" And this voice inside my head commanded me to turn around and press my face into the pier so the force of the eight foot waves would actually help, not kill me. I would've never thought of that on my own. it went completely against my instincts to turn my back to what was about to kill me.

    One time when I was a kid, I was having problems with drugs and police etc. and one night I was just like "fuck this shit! my life has got to change right fucking now! I am DONE!!!!!!!!" I was actually scaring my friends with my energy at some party. But there was a real shift in my psyche after that. a quiet confidence. And the next night (I really shouldn't go into detail over the internet) I was protected in a way that I assure you was just like a miracle or something and I've been pretty much clean and sober for many years now.

    And not so long ago I was really fucked financially. I hadn't made rent in several months and was in crazy debt. It got so bad it felt really like it was a matter of life and death you know? Like "I absolutely must get a fucking job! to not do so is simply not an option! If I dont I will be on the streets." I could feel this crazy emotional energy and then this release. I actually started crying and then was calm. two days later I bullshitted my way into a dream job! I have wanted to be a game artist all my life and I honestly was not qualified for that position. also some thing inside me drew me to this website and even a second time forced me to read the fine print which said I could watch these training videos for like 25 dollars. and in two weeks I learned the two programs i needed do my job. and I love it there! and it pays nicely.

    I've read more books on magick than I can count and none sufficiently drive home the kind of desperate, matter-of-life-and-death, emotional RAGE!!! that needs to be summoned, coupled with a single minded idea of what NEEDS!!! to happen. you cant kinda wanna be psychic. you've gotta come at it like your fucking parents are being murdered!!! what if they were? you would lose your mind. good. watch how fast you'd be psychic! you'd be like remote viewing all over the walls with a crayon! haha! If you could simulate that kind of feeling place on command, you'd be on to something very powerful.

    I don't mean to come off so dark and negative and simply focus on death. sexual energy and loving kindness can also be very effective. The bottom line is Magick works! sometimes very quickly. But you need to NEED it.
  • Re: Lack of results

    Thu, March 6, 2008 - 7:05 AM
    You have to really WANNA and then Bring it to its highest EMOTIOANL Level
    Then you have to REALLY LET GO OF THAT WANNA and forget about it

    When you LEAST Expect it - then IT will Manifest- IT has to.

    However the Universe has a way of playing Trick on you if your WANNA is not rooted in a PURE WANNA and the result will be ....either Horrofying, or Hilarious..or both !

    Which isnt always EAST to PERCEIVE i fyou were the ONE who did the WANNA

    Even NO RESULTS is a RESULT

    Remember that NOTHING had to HIDE in order to Manifest SOMETHING
    • Re: Lack of results

      Thu, March 6, 2008 - 7:20 AM
      ok so the horrific joke is always on me - so how do I avoid manifesting it all wrong all the time or sustain it a bit better when I get it right...?

      and how does no results equate to a result unless you were really into manifesting a lack of results...
    • Re: Lack of results

      Fri, March 21, 2008 - 11:56 PM
      You know i never thought about it, but you are right and how could i forget that state of nothingness i have been having troubles with results
      myself as far as when i want them. what has worked was the emotional, and the basics. my financial situation stinks and when something does come, it is always taken away some how. like i applied for a rent rebate and the irs took it for back taxes, What back taxes?
      Sometime when i get close, it end up getting taken away just like there is some kind of block, i dont know if it is me or an external source, but it is getting old. because when it comes to finding a decent woman, i get crack heads, to money it gets taken away. but i have a big heart and can get along with anyone and i am a very giving and honest kind of guy some say that i can be to honest. I believe that i am a part of everyone and all is a part of me.i see things as they are not as i am told that they are. but when i want something there is always a stop sign. i guess that now i will try that something different and will let you know the results. thank for that reminder, the emotional level stuff to nothing to something. thanks

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