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Where do you start? Where is a good starting point of you're starting out in this?
Do you keep records? Like information on your spells and such?
Do you keep records? Like information on your spells and such?
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Re: Beginner
Sun, April 13, 2008 - 7:59 PMYes, a magick journal is highly recommened tool, to keep yourself aware of what works for you.
Other recommendations are just keeping a daily journal, where you write three pages a day (at least) every day, just to work with your thoughts.
Many people recommend a divination tool (tarot, runes, I ching) as a way of learning some styles.
Ask alot of questions. Read ALOT of books. Trust your instincts. enchant, enchant, enchant. A believe helpful to me is that magic is like a muscle. It gets stronger the more you exercise it. -
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Re: Beginner
Sun, April 13, 2008 - 8:14 PMwhy dont you start with a culture(s) your interested in.
asian, african, european,jewish,native american etc...
find out what their magickal pratices are and try them out.
i also recommend liber MMM in pete carrols book liber null and psychonauts.
i personally reccomened my favorite paradighms-toltec and norse -
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Re: Beginner
Sun, April 13, 2008 - 8:18 PMAlright.
Can you create your own? I've been reading up on chaos majik. It's being tossed in the the luciferian path and such. I've been digging through websites. =) It's very interesting to read.
What I'm wondering is: Do you use names? Symbols that represent you?
Thanks for replying, by the way. Is this just a do-it-and-make-it-yourself majik?
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Re: Beginner
Sun, April 13, 2008 - 8:16 PMI found that I didn't really "get" magick until I joined a mystery school. First-hand instruction can really help you establish a foundation for magick that you don't really get so much from books. Now that I have that foundation, I'm looking to books and understanding them better. -
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Re: Beginner
Sun, April 13, 2008 - 8:20 PMI've been into majik for a while now, wandering around the different paths and such. I've never had the patience for them, because there was so MUCH of it!!!! I have ADHD, and I needed something just as wild as my mind, I guess. I looked into chaos majik because of how free it is. There's no structure--but a freedom that other systems don't grant. I find it interesting and refreshing. -
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 9:47 AMThe thing with chaos magick or majik, or woifrdjhwjhn (pronounced meghyux) is that in terms of actualy "doing" you can do anything. It is very fluid. Philosophical, its much more stable. Using what I remember reading as the "Metaparadigm" of chaos magic, you can work any other system, so long as you believe whole heartedly in what you are doing at the moment and how you are doing it.
As for where to begin, with your journal, just start, tomorrow, Sunday, with the full moon, whenever, just start. I personally find the daily journal is best. Start with writing down WHATEVER is in your head every day for 15 - 30 minutes, with a really simple journal (Like a composition book that you can get at just about any office or school supply store) and just fill it with three pages. If you can't think of anything write, I can't think of anything" for three pages. If you find an interesting leaf, pick it up, put it in there. If you feel you need to write something down, put it in there. If you get an awesome idea for a ritual, an insight about divination, filled with the Holy Spirit, put it in there. Let the pages catch all the flip and change of your mind, to whatever it goes. Just put it in the journal. That is where I would say to start.
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Re: Beginner
Mon, April 14, 2008 - 7:00 PMI dislike keeping records. As what I do tends to change with the winds and the tide, what I did years before becomes somewhat irrelevant to me and it is never a good idea to leave evidence for the prosecutor. -
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Re: Beginner
Tue, April 15, 2008 - 1:15 AMAs you are undoubtedly aware, the point of keeping records is to afford an anchor so that one does not lose one's mind. While you may not need this, most people do.
Lets face facts. Most people are compoundably stupid, weak, and militantly ignorant. Simply discovering a magic isn't going to change the culture. Have discovered magic in no way means that you are somehow special--that thousands of years of culture have not affected you. Unless you are from a magician family, but, then you would not be on this board... heh
I would recommend the keeping of a magical journal to anyone who is a beginner. If they don't like it, they can dispense with it later at their own risk.
Also, I might add that your attitude it rather paranoid. What do they get if they kill me? Its just me. No organization crumbles. Nothing happens. Its just me. Let them read my diary and jerk off, as they are reading this even now. -
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Tue, April 15, 2008 - 9:06 AMlol
"Most people are compoundably stupid, weak, and militantly ignorant. "
That similar to my personal philsophy, although the words I use are lazy, ignorant and selfish. Even myself. which I work constantly at not to be. woo!!!
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Re: Beginner
Thu, May 15, 2008 - 2:55 AMI would highly recommend you start by mastering some sort of banishing ritual. If you learn a simple one and do it every day for a year, you will thank yourself for the rest of your life.
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Re: Beginner
Fri, May 16, 2008 - 12:31 PMBut there are no breadcrumb trails here!
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Re: Beginner
Tue, June 3, 2008 - 9:02 PMStarting out is simple.
Go to chaosmatrix.org and pick a ritual, do it. Write down the results. Pick another. Do it. Write down the results.
Repeat as much as possible.
Then start reading some books. Avoid Pope Pete's stuff for a good while. Maybe start with "Now That's What I call Chaos Magick" by Julian Vayne and Greg Humphries.
Experience is the key. Do some magic and then develop your own ideas on things before you start reading other people's bullshit. -
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Re: Beginner
Tue, June 3, 2008 - 9:21 PMI think a really good starting point with any self-work is to learn how to properly relax fully. Lie down and progressively relax your body from head to toe. In order to manifest your desires, you need to be aware of any tension that is blocking the flow of energy within and around you.
The other thing is to notice when synchronicities occur that are in alignment with your desires and intentions, and keep track and acknowledge them as being magickal events. That way you begin to realign your belief systems toward a magickal world view.
Just do the best you can, and your best will keep getting better.
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Re: Beginner
Wed, June 4, 2008 - 7:16 PMThree books:
Liber Null and Psychonaught
Liber Kaos
A book with empty pages, for you to write in -
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Re: Beginner
Wed, June 4, 2008 - 7:34 PM>>Liber Null and Psychonaught
Liber Kaos :>>
check this out:
digitalseance.wordpress.com/2007...kaos/ -
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Wed, June 4, 2008 - 7:56 PMhey Rodan...some of the links in the margins of that page a pretty interesting too! -
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Wed, June 4, 2008 - 8:09 PM>>some of the links in the margins of that page a pretty interesting too!<<
yeah, i see there are some Herman Hesse pdf links as well
cool
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Re: Beginner
Tue, June 10, 2008 - 12:41 AMI want to change my answer. Here's how to begin:
1) Ask yourself what you expect magic(k) to be like
2) Ask yourself what you want magic(k) to be like
3) Pretend you know how to make the answer to question 2 happen and do it.
4) Don't listen to anyone's personal bullshit on magic(k) (mine included) -
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Re: Beginner
Wed, June 11, 2008 - 2:12 AMYeah, I think the ol', don't listen to anyone or do what they tell you to do, declare yourself a magickian and start doing whatever you think a magickian does, this is probably the most reliable way to learn. That, and try to be aware of what's going on around you. It's always more than you see, no matter how much you see. And to try to be honest with yourself. Everybody likes to think they are, but magickians have to be much more so. -
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Sun, August 3, 2008 - 9:16 PMThanks for all you're help. I really appriciate it.
Sean, I personally don't use the word 'magickian.' I always find that it attracts the wrong sort of crowd, and people who simply think I'm trying to be an illusionist. While I've not found a term to use yet, I just refer to myself as a chaosist, if that makes ANY sense. It's simple, understandable, and completely confusing to those who I'd rather not talk to anyway.
I've learned that I enjoy the freedom of chaos majik, and the knowledge it requires me to study. While deciding on chaos majik, I studied other paths--such as druidism--and found that I disliked all the extra bits they added, and that their methods simply didn't work for me. I prefer to go with the flow, and follow the natural currents of the universe. I find that such things as wands, athames, cauldrons and all those things aren't needed to preform anything. The crystals, herbs and other ingredients used in other things are needed because they produce a certain energy good for certain workings. Besides that, they also have certain desired effects on the body when used properly.
I find that I enjoy working with my mind---alot--and grounding my own workings in simple everyday things. For an example, I worked a simple 'invisibility' spell and grounded it in the air around me.
When I say 'invisibility,' it's more like people simply don't notice me. I'm not acutally invisible, but it's as good as invisible, because people fail to notice I'm there in the first place. They'll cut a wide berth around me, but don't really notice that they're doing so. It's fun in crowds, because it makes it easier to maneuver.
The problem? I've only been able to work it on myself and one other person. It also grants a tremendous headache if I don't anchor it in something.
I've tried divination with water--by gazing into it. I simply filled a large metal bowl with water, and gazed into it with all of me--not just my eyes. I get an array of colors, like a thick fluffy cloud, and images cutting through the mass, but it's hard to understand, and the images arn't always clear.
I'm not sure what it is I do, but I've seemed to have created my own little method of majik. *shrugs*
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Re: Beginner
Mon, August 4, 2008 - 10:15 AMsounds good.
All those extra bits are decorative icing on a cake. It just makes it pretty to look at, if thats what you want. If you want make a cake, and just slap some icing on it, its still just as good.
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Re: Beginner
Wed, October 29, 2008 - 5:03 AMI've been thinking of doing my first magick ritual. This is what I've planned
First I first ground myself and go inside a circle to make myself feel safe.
Then I use DXM + binaural beats for an altered state. I guess otherwise I won't be able to 'believe' in what I'm doing.
Then I need the symbols of the elements. fire (candle) + water (cup) + air (pencil) + earth (mud). (but why? I think for keeping the qualities of the elements in my mind and for balance. Or some fetishism?)
Then I read an evocation for a certain demon.
The only reason for doing this is to see what will happen. Or mayby I should think for some service for the demon to do for me.
So a demon could be my cigarette addiction. I ask the cigarette addiction demon to stob bugging me.
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