Sigils are a type of majikal symbol, whether it be a seal, sign, glyph or what. What I am wondering is if it's possible to create a personal sigil, of your name, like a signiture or something. If so, how do you go about doing that? Any suggestions or opinions?
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Wed, May 16, 2007 - 9:08 AMwell, u could always do one of the traditional methods of sigil making, reduce your name to non-repeating letters and then combine them into a pleaseing form and voila!
One of my favorites is translating them into another alphabet. I prefer the runes, but really anything works.
My personal sigil is graphic symbol I came up with in high school. the inspiration behind it was the direction of air currents that form tornadoes, only I fleshed it out made it 2-d, at least for myself. You could really create anything.
Another inspiration that I got was from D&D Forgotten Realms campaign. All spell casting types have personal sigils that are used to ID them, which are protected by the deities of magic. some samples shown are very complex, others very simple, but if you can find the images (often in older books) they are pretty interesting to look at.
I know I am such a geek.
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Wed, May 16, 2007 - 9:36 AMI've created a sigil using my initials. Looks nice, and very "other worldly" for an artists' signature.
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Wed, May 16, 2007 - 11:40 AMShould I go full name or just first name? -
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Wed, May 16, 2007 - 12:21 PM='( I'm lost. I can't come up with ANYTHING. I did what one of those girls suggested, and now I am left with JuCp. I can't get anything that I like. ='(
When I did just my first name, it came out as an hourglass EVERY single damn time, no matter what I did! -_- I don't like the hour glass shape. I wanted something elegant...like what this guy has...
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Wed, May 16, 2007 - 1:07 PMThings spontaneously arise out of my deep mind, and I've started sigilizing them without even knowing precisely what they mean.
Often times, the harder you try, the more you face the act of -trying- instead of naturally and relaxedly doing.
As much fun as it is to get out and jump for the big ones - if it isn't coming, perhaps it's better not to force it?
Listen deep to what you/the universe is sending. Something's always already on the way.
Perhaps design a secondary sigil for inspiration pertaining to sigil design?
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Wed, May 16, 2007 - 7:59 PMYou can design sigils for anything, including personal sigils for general use or sigils for specific ritual needs. When I design new sigils, I always like to start by looking at sigils and symbol sets that are used for the same general purposes as the one I'm designing. For a name sigil, you might look at symbols that represent something meaningful to you (perhaps the symbol of a totem or an astrological sign), and see if these can be stylized into the letters of your name.
I also prefer using a magickal alphabet when designing sigils - the Elder Futhark runes and the Theban script are probably my personal favorites.
I recommend trying several different designs when making a sigil. Lay the letters out in a circle, draw them one on top of the other, skew them at different angles...experiment until you find a design that's evocative for you, and let your subconscious mind start to speak through your design experiments.
I'd also strongly encourage you to charge your completed sigil the way you would any other ritual tool. Once you've got the design, you'll want to raise and focus your energy to empower it for magickal use.
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Wed, May 16, 2007 - 11:08 PMWithout the intention of completely derailing the topic, I've plucked of late, from the ripe gardens of my deepmind, various sigils without any sort of connection to a statement of intent.
Simply a magickal symbol.
I have only moderate experience with the magickal systems, and though my true initiation began in 2005, it wasn't until the tail end of 2006 that I begun working with the Chaos Magick approach (praises be!). I've had smashing success with Sigils thus far, and the only one that I've created and used that had no linking to a statement of intent (merely an intent at its core, and at the time of its scribing) I designed to generate tips for myself.
Smashing success thus far.
Oddly enough, I, as I lay in bed, preceding sleep in an incredibly lucid state (some of my most magickal works get preformed after I go to bed at, let us say, 10 or so - and I end up going to sleep, completely rejuvinated, energetically charged, and at love with the world, at 3 am, waking afterwards equally so charged despite only 4 or 5 hours sleep) a sigil entered my mind - it seemed highly promising, and a shape that I simply loved.
I've inscribed it and begun charging it... and I have no idea what it's for or what it does (doesn't seem to generate tiredness)
I've chaulked it up to a sign of me Augoeids, and don't care to probe too much into it, lest I disturb it (I figure It'll reveal itself in due course)
Still... it does feel strange charging a sigil that I haven't had to forget because I didn't know what it represented in the first place.
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Thu, May 17, 2007 - 12:00 AM=) You're not derailing the topic. I've made my sigil already, with the help of a druid. =)
I am curious, though, as to what people say to your post.
Do the sigils drain you as you're drawing them?
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Thu, May 17, 2007 - 3:23 AMI thought that sigils were one-shot deals. Without trying to pry, what kinds of long-term sigils do you use and how do you use them? Thanks -
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Thu, May 17, 2007 - 10:03 AMSigils as inspired by Pope Pete were more of a one shot use. Although I keep all of mine in my grimoire. Mostly cause I want to use them again at a different time, as they seem to work reguarlary for me. There are sigils that I have just dreamed up on the spot and never recoreded and forgotten, until I need them again. But you can use a sigil as often and for as long as you want. If you visit chaosmatrix and read about one sigil the site builder created that was original meant to eff with time, it eventual turned into a powerful one as many people used it, and I wager, continue to do so. I know I drew it once.
If you think about it, all the strange symbols from the medival books about magic are sigils, used to connect with a certain energy, which has developed or had an inteligence applied to it. Astrological symbols and other things are sigils too, representing an energy. really any thing can be used, its just the practice of chaotes to create their own, rich with personal meaning and intent vs others who may rely on tradition imagery. -
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Thu, May 17, 2007 - 12:13 PMIf the sigil is made from you, will it last as long as you do or longer if the symbols are included right? -
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Thu, May 17, 2007 - 4:43 PMWithout meaning to sound like a parrot
"Nothing is true. Everything is permitted" -- Creativity is half the fun. I love this space 'cause we can bounce ideas around, and some folkel have more experience than others. I, personally, have only limited experience, but the more I read and practice, the more personal it seems to be - and this truly *is* the Chaos approach.
Peter Carroll or Phil Hine will *never* encounter the same experiences you have. Sure, it may run parallel, but not in the same place, the same people, or with the same history.
People give guidelines based on their experience - that's all we can share.
Isn't one of the prereqs to joining the IOT creativity?
I, personally, designed a sigil for aid in acquiring rare objects. Could have just as easily been a servitor, but it ended up a sigil.
I've only used it once or twice, and thus far it's netted me a didjeridoo.
I haven't tried since then as, well, I haven't felt compelled to acquire any new and spiffy items of late. But I sure do have it prepared (er, somewhere, amidst the others) for when it seems time to send the charge out again.
As for sigils draining me - heavens no! They usually amplify my energy.
Probably because I choose not to "pay attention" but rather "focus my awareness" - or rather, instead of "spending my energy" I "focus it o'er there"
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Thu, May 17, 2007 - 9:43 PMSinghilarity wrote...
>I, personally, designed a sigil for aid in acquiring rare objects.<
As I read this one of my selves said you will attract a rare disease with this sigil. I know a disease may not be a object but who am I to object, just relaying a message to another of our 'selves.
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My personal sigil/glyph/symbol invokes itself as a form of grounding/banishing during 'laughter. It also seems to act as a entry/exit point for various influentialities. Acting as a 'transformer ov thy 'current(s).
It is sentient and self-created-actualized (as all things 'happen to be) and as expected grows in thus in acordance to its service. I remember when it was 'new and derived from a early magickal moto- (via automatic drawing). It has since evolved...beyond 'mere trivialities- into wider arena, beyond 'the illusion of free will.
Alternatively, If one is practicing paradigmal hopping one could adapt a moto/sigil ('mask) to align-solidify a particular tool-belief that can be (re)used (and even combined-interchanged) as needed. (noteing the differences and similarities between diametrically opposed ones)- and along those lines...It wouldnt hurt to explore sigils that do not feel right (hourglass). Invert their form or use cut up tech. etc. to siphon information-meaning(s) utilizing a ugly-extacy principle.Also being a excellent tech. for exploring others sigils as those in A.O.Spare's art works.
Though be wary of what you create, it may soon ask who made who. And it is you who are destroyed... Either way ENJOY! THY SELF IS DEAD LONG LIVE THY SELF
1/3 creation-1/3 destruction-1/3 enjoyment
nature keeps its secrets
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Fri, May 18, 2007 - 4:41 PMHeh, that'd explain the jock itch... *rolls eyes*
Thanks for the concern - Pathworking, indeed, has a very powerful role to play. I choose my words finely, and have only begun to understand precisely why this has such importance.
I haven't charged that'un in a long while. Still, I won't take it to heart - not because I don't appreciate a warning, but simply because we all read things differently - Don't go charging any rare object sigils, there, N-lust. ;)
Ever evolving system.
I'm really digging my new kinesthetic sigils. I designed them after an intense (and hypothetical, you goonies) LSD experience, during which Magick Mirror (from the Invisibles) made itself most tangibly clear as the substrate upon which we inscribe our existence.
Then, nearly a month later, I read about the concept in Condensed Chaos (Best. Book. EVER.)... so, uh, needless to say, I've managed to figure out a business flow adjustment dial for the kitchen I work in.
Good ol' pushes and nudges... heee!
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Mon, May 21, 2007 - 10:45 AMI don't think I understand the question exactly
How is the sigil made from you?
technically a sigil could outlast its creator, if the image is recorded and eventually shared.
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Mon, May 21, 2007 - 10:59 AMHah, that'd be awesome.
Create a sigil specifically for post-mortem contact...
Also; wouldn't a personal sigil be somehow potentially dangerous? I know I send failure and banishment vibes to most of the corporations I come into contact with.
They seem pretty uppity - but so long as I realize that the retaliatory voices aren't my own, I feel just fine.
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Fri, May 18, 2007 - 8:28 PMOh, no, you can make sigils for one-time use or for long-term use. I've done both. I've created long-term-use sigils for personal consecration and tool binding, altered conciousness/meditation, personal totems and guides, general prosperity...all sort of things I might want to invoke more than once.
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Sat, May 19, 2007 - 7:32 PMHow does that work with forgetting the exact intent of each sigil? Do you make long-term sigils in the same way that you make one-shot deals?
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Sat, May 19, 2007 - 7:41 PMThis is something that I've considered the past few days myself.
Phil Hine's Garden metaphor works best, here, I think (I'll provide it just further down) but in essence, it isn't so much that one inherently *forgets* (how would you know you've achieved success if you truly forgot?) but that one doesn't *dwell*. Let it go. It's off. It'll do its work. In fact, it's already started - the more we interfere, the more turbulence we create for it as it zooms off into the metaspace.
See, 'cause if our mind is a fertile garden, rich with nutrients, and our thoughts/desires/emotions seeds, as we go through our standard "busy day busy brain" life, we end up with a horrendous tangled mess.
Go outside, organize a certain patch, plant a seed, give it some water, nutrients, and love. (create-charge-fire). Then go back to the rest of your life.
If you bring your noisy mind there, and leave it - it'll quickly grow over with the host of other desires/thoughts/emotions that we bring with our attention.
Besides, if you over water something, it'll drown.
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Mon, May 21, 2007 - 5:28 PMIt would be fun to inscribe sigilium apon seeds/bulbs 'charging them,and planting (randomly), Continuing to 'tend to thee 'earthenware whore(harem)' throughout gestation and beyond in thy 'sigil garden. With the eventual consumption of the flower/fruit(s) most mutated.by said process. I have meandered around these ideas in the adverse- dwelling apon the form and emissions (energies-aromas, color, taste etc...) of organisms during the decay cycle(and those organisms attracted to these emitions). It is there in that irregular black lattice that secret formu-larva are revealed of which sigilic revelation is one by-product...also disease from these methods is a welcome exploratoration into bio-incorporation though they must be allowed to run their full course for optimum benifits (what strange fruits grow in thee sigil grave yard compost pile ov dead selves) *Not to mention this is a 'back door to sabbatic encroachment..
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Mon, May 21, 2007 - 6:21 PMY'know, even just inscribing them on trees...
But man, what a brilliant idea. Take Guerilla Gardening to a whole new level!
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Thu, May 31, 2007 - 8:21 PMTo me, the sigil itself is only a sign, or a symbol. I find it interesting that ranchers have been using the same process of combining letters into pleasing forms to create cattle brands for years, though I doubt many of them have put too much occult thought into it. It would be intriguing to discover any who had!
What the sigil represents is far more important than the sigil itself. For example, when we talk of “firing off a sigil” we are usually implementing the final phase of an oft drawn out ritual in which our magical intention was first made manifest in a form that does not immediately arouse any unintended interference from the conscious self – a sigil – while clearly evoking the essence of the magical rite. Once the sigil is launched, it is not actually the sigil that is doing anything, but Yourself, whose will was represented by the sigil.
I create sigils for my servitors, which I then use to create complex sigil maps that outline how each servitor should cooperate to accomplish a given task, which is itself sigilized in the servitor map. The individual sigils represent the servitors, which are actual entities, while the complex sigil created from the servitor map is a “one-shot” sigil for a particular rite. -
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Mon, June 4, 2007 - 4:33 PMSo, a question on personal preference of technique here folkel: Do you charge sigils once, then leave it 'til it accomplishes its result?
Do you work with a single sigil for a while, charging it every time one achieves gnosis, then switch to another?
I experimented with the latter for a while, and, as the result involved another friend in a separate province, I have no idea of its results, etc. (I did, of course, mention that nothing would occur without his own effort) so cannae say with any certainty BUT
I wondered if perhaps repeated charging of a sigil works somewhat counter productively - lust for result, etc. etc.
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 9:13 PMI prefer long term use sigils. I find it more efficiant and it waste less paper. =)
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Tue, April 15, 2008 - 1:24 AMOf course you can. Consult Liber MMM on how to make a sigil. You can make a sigil out of anything.
You may notice, as you look around, that many businesses have sigils. The world is run by magicians. The main questions are, how powerful are you? Which side(s) are you on?
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Thu, April 17, 2008 - 11:34 AMHa Ha ;)
What sides do you want there to be?
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Thu, April 17, 2008 - 11:34 AMActually, I have a theory based on Leary and RAW. 24 types of human nervous system make 24 basic sides. -
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Fri, April 18, 2008 - 9:59 AMWell, if there are 24 types of nervous system, one might reasonably conjecture that these 24 different types would find various commonalities with one another. It is possible they would organize--in some sense--based on those commonalities. We can look at culture as an example of this happening, though culture is a social factor--the nervous system is a biological factor.
Thus, 24 divisions are possible--though there may be more or less. As I said, its a theory.
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