Tribe.net. Local Connections EbonyFaery http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/aacc2077-4b8a-4ec5-94f7-b5a549399d67#0563aee3-4c6e-4a66-b79f-b5ed6564418e 2008-05-17T23:35:22Z 2008-05-17T23:35:22Z

I went to this link and I am pissed that this Stacy is thinking she speaks for the entire Pagan community! This Rhonda only asked for help but some people are just plain evil and get their rocks off on hurting others! I for one am going to be calling the ACLU and telling them that these bad Pagans don't speak for us all. I am not sure if Rhonda is innocent or guilty but she definately deserves a chance to receive help and be heard. And if all Rhonda says is even close to true then she needs all the support possible to survive this nightmare. And the Stacies of the world need to keep their hatefulness to themselves! If this was me I don't know what I would do, but seeing what Stacy and others have said I know I wouldn't be able to count on these Pagans to lend a hand. I would be alone and scared....is this what we want to happen to us?

EbonyFaery 2008-05-17T23:35:22Z Lily http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/aacc2077-4b8a-4ec5-94f7-b5a549399d67#906aa251-b795-4ff5-8a36-a2e80c1b65a1 2008-05-17T23:23:57Z 2008-05-17T23:23:57Z

here is more information on the Rhonda Gruber case updated http://shamanism.tribe.net/thread/d5e5a0d7-8edc-409d-90d8-7eef3c107ed4

Lily 2008-05-17T23:23:57Z Lily http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/aacc2077-4b8a-4ec5-94f7-b5a549399d67#89b0b750-1211-4b60-a4fc-3dd534b1b0cc 2008-05-17T23:08:07Z 2008-05-17T23:08:07Z

Hey guys there is more information and lots of updates to the Rhonda Gruber case check it out on this blog here at http://people.tribe.net/5d0dfa6f-8235-4f4d-8fbc-7cbe812f624e/blog

Lily 2008-05-17T23:08:07Z Chuck http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/aacc2077-4b8a-4ec5-94f7-b5a549399d67#bd353ae5-0962-4183-ba20-a12fa8d5dbd1 2007-10-25T14:39:44Z 2007-10-25T14:39:44Z

I just like to think of myself as living proof that all the scare words folks use to try to control magicians, like karma, are just that, words to scare people with that have no truth behind them.

Chuck 2007-10-25T14:39:44Z $item.owner.firstName http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/aacc2077-4b8a-4ec5-94f7-b5a549399d67#b8bd655c-ec9f-42b7-95b8-9347b561ebc9 2007-10-25T09:52:33Z 2007-10-25T09:52:33Z

chuck your just bad to the bone.! >:) a true sith lord..

$item.owner.firstName 2007-10-25T09:52:33Z Chuck http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/aacc2077-4b8a-4ec5-94f7-b5a549399d67#f850fa43-1676-4cce-b1e7-fee4781bd8c2 2007-10-24T15:37:56Z 2007-10-24T15:37:56Z

After living near 60 years I obviously have not yet found the boundary.

Chuck 2007-10-24T15:37:56Z *J* http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/aacc2077-4b8a-4ec5-94f7-b5a549399d67#b47b180b-5d69-4ae3-b5d2-d623516d2bb0 2007-10-24T10:51:09Z 2007-10-24T10:51:09Z

Having your ass bitten by your own intent is the best way to learn your boundaries. "you never know how far you can go until you go too far" a great psycho once told me. ..of course this could easily result in death. ........and thats OK.

*J* 2007-10-24T10:51:09Z $item.owner.firstName http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/aacc2077-4b8a-4ec5-94f7-b5a549399d67#de01e24f-2fac-468b-b11d-42d77e5b3415 2007-10-23T12:15:58Z 2007-10-23T12:15:58Z

sounds cool, but maybe all wishes should`nt come true, it could turn arround and bite u i the ass. but controlled wishes would be total power..!

$item.owner.firstName 2007-10-23T12:15:58Z Chuck http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/aacc2077-4b8a-4ec5-94f7-b5a549399d67#f48026c8-d0bc-4f65-8d08-243245190d4f 2007-10-23T05:35:38Z 2007-10-23T05:35:38Z

LOL!!!!!! Oh, this is what someone just wrote me about!! No, I don't have one like that in the woodwork just yet, we have to work out the production costs. But I think "The Evil Secret of Psionics" sounds pretty good.

Chuck 2007-10-23T05:35:38Z James http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/aacc2077-4b8a-4ec5-94f7-b5a549399d67#3937fdde-4398-4e7a-a6fc-a3d4b4a6285f 2007-10-23T03:24:30Z 2007-10-23T03:24:30Z

I am eagerly awaiting Chuck's video "The Dark Secret" which tells of the ancient secret, hidden for millenia and discovered by Count Cosimanos which allow all your wishes to come true... with film clips of bad neighbors' houses bursting into flames, bosses being handcuffed and led away.... and so on....

James 2007-10-23T03:24:30Z $item.owner.firstName http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/aacc2077-4b8a-4ec5-94f7-b5a549399d67#c9cd8792-a37c-40ed-aa8f-1725e5c1dcd2 2007-10-22T10:17:05Z 2007-10-22T10:17:05Z

There is nothing either good or bad..... but thinking makes it so. --------------- william shakespeare.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-10-22T10:17:05Z $item.owner.firstName http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/aacc2077-4b8a-4ec5-94f7-b5a549399d67#38c6536b-a962-4e6e-81d4-713bd96ddb24 2007-10-22T05:44:01Z 2007-10-22T05:44:01Z

could you make me a red light saber...

$item.owner.firstName 2007-10-22T05:44:01Z hermeticbear http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/aacc2077-4b8a-4ec5-94f7-b5a549399d67#b5bccb5a-02d0-48f4-a851-b2956daefaf3 2007-10-21T17:21:26Z 2007-10-21T17:21:26Z

after reading all of these posts, I am so white light, its disgusting. Although I make pretty lasers :)

hermeticbear 2007-10-21T17:21:26Z $item.owner.firstName http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/aacc2077-4b8a-4ec5-94f7-b5a549399d67#0988ac89-414c-43a6-a279-5fc2543d346d 2007-10-21T09:45:09Z 2007-10-21T09:45:09Z

my old boss should have shown me and others a little more respect for the work we do. just before leaving his shitty company, i employed a nasty demon sevitor to work in his company. its job was and still is to fuck things up all the time. a spanner in the works! and from what i hear its doing a pretty good job.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-10-21T09:45:09Z Chuck http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/aacc2077-4b8a-4ec5-94f7-b5a549399d67#340a8774-662a-49b4-beb2-21564f99f846 2007-10-20T22:11:55Z 2007-10-20T22:11:55Z

To run from persecution is only to invite more persecution. In our part of the world it is pretty easy to deal such problems because every spring is tornado season and it is pretty easy to slam a tornado into the local city hall. But there are other methods which have worked very well. Let me give an example. As a lot of magick folk already know, I'm something of a BDSM activist in the Chicago area, have been for 20 years. In 2002, the City of Chicago, which is usually pretty easy-going about such things, got it into its head that it needed revenue and went after business that did not have the right paperwork, including two of the local dungeons. Well, that is not smart with Uncle Chuckie running around. I used my magick to put the idea into the heads of some folks at the Justice Department that the Daley administration needed to be investigated. And then the indictments started coming in. Everyone involved in closing the dungeons (which reopened shortly thereafter) is now in a federal prison. And no one bothers the playspaces. They don't know how they know that it is not a good idea, but they know. This is what can be done with magick.

Chuck 2007-10-20T22:11:55Z *J* http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/aacc2077-4b8a-4ec5-94f7-b5a549399d67#d29acb8b-c39a-448d-8da6-dbad0055be97 2007-10-20T17:32:51Z 2007-10-20T17:32:51Z

I would be inclined to agree. When the catholics came with their bibles and thumbscrews, the Loa donned the mask of the saint. By no means should you stop being a "proud witch" but swallow that pride when in the open for the sake of your family and yourself. To openly proclaim yourself ANYTHING at all is to invite persecution, much less a witch. I say get the fuck out of dodge once your son is on his own. ~ Chuck has an excellent point as well. Overpopulation needs to be dealt with, one way or 5 billion ways.

*J* 2007-10-20T17:32:51Z Rose http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/aacc2077-4b8a-4ec5-94f7-b5a549399d67#34cd7126-82c5-4308-8612-10c6bdeac4b7 2007-10-20T07:54:58Z 2007-10-20T07:54:58Z

Greetings my dear Rhonda, I will do anything to support your case. In my life, being solitary has been a way of life. I have been labeled schizofrenic or possessed by the devil for my beliefs by my family. I am a proud witch. I would only love to share my beliefs, but have been put down my whole life. I have know how i was since i was a small child, and learned to keep my beliefs to myself . My parents even brought a priest to my house to "bring me jesus" this was humiliating. and it was done more than once It is horrible what you are going through. You could always move and start over. I practice in my back yard in peace with no one watching now. This is the only way, as there will always be hatred. Find those like minded and hide from the haters as you will not change them, we just all must stick together. blessed be ~~Rose Kali

Rose 2007-10-20T07:54:58Z Chuck http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/aacc2077-4b8a-4ec5-94f7-b5a549399d67#5e83caa6-e316-488a-abe7-808d0c8ce1ef 2007-10-20T02:05:21Z 2007-10-20T02:05:21Z

A neighborhood meeting is a stupid waste of time. It presupposes that anyone wants to meet and that they would even care if anybody thought that they were bigoted. Better to do magick and kill everyone involved. That would send a good lesson. And it's FUN!!!

Chuck 2007-10-20T02:05:21Z $item.owner.firstName http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/aacc2077-4b8a-4ec5-94f7-b5a549399d67#950eeba6-7814-46dd-b076-124b14fd8c44 2007-10-19T20:06:21Z 2007-10-19T20:06:21Z

It's been floating around various pagan Tribes for a little while, from what I've seen.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-10-19T20:06:21Z $item.owner.firstName http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/aacc2077-4b8a-4ec5-94f7-b5a549399d67#d38b7d7d-7e4c-49ff-982c-7b0146eebcf7 2007-10-19T18:50:33Z 2007-10-19T18:50:33Z

im with teamnoir. a neihborhood meeting sounds like it might help.that would bring the bigots out of the wood work if they dare to speak up.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-10-19T18:50:33Z hermeticbear http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/aacc2077-4b8a-4ec5-94f7-b5a549399d67#d75f90ee-e8bb-40b0-8390-b55b9bd3c595 2007-10-19T18:46:04Z 2007-10-19T18:46:04Z

what was this other website?

hermeticbear 2007-10-19T18:46:04Z teamnoir http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/aacc2077-4b8a-4ec5-94f7-b5a549399d67#c9498472-3cb5-47f2-be17-b22b909a6bdd 2007-10-19T15:42:22Z 2007-10-19T15:42:22Z

So far, this doesn't sound to me like a landmark case nor even a case involving spiritual choices. It just sounds like neighborhood drama. It sounds to me like these folks need a mediator, and a good therapist.

teamnoir 2007-10-19T15:42:22Z $item.owner.firstName http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/aacc2077-4b8a-4ec5-94f7-b5a549399d67#bda31b9b-0e04-467b-b642-ed61e02bac15 2007-10-19T10:03:43Z 2007-10-19T10:03:43Z

plague them with an army of nasty servitors,let them do the dirty work.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-10-19T10:03:43Z Chuck http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/aacc2077-4b8a-4ec5-94f7-b5a549399d67#5434e473-353a-4447-a617-b082c7514a2d 2007-10-19T05:34:31Z 2007-10-19T05:34:31Z

Kill them all. That always solves the problem.

Chuck 2007-10-19T05:34:31Z Judia http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/aacc2077-4b8a-4ec5-94f7-b5a549399d67#470002cd-e7a1-40ed-baa7-4c65e90429d0 2007-10-19T05:25:24Z 2007-10-19T05:25:24Z

My name is Rhonda Gruber AKA Wicked Lil Witch and I am a Proud Witch. I am currently being persecuted as a Witch by a Lt. Kevin Duke of the Horry County Police Dept. My life and the lives of my family and friends are being threatened and destroyed by this man with the backing of countless other officials. I was arrested Monday Sept 10th '07 by Lt Duke for Breach of Peace, Child Endangerment/ Neglect and 1st degree Harrassement. This all began around the end of May '07 from many false police reports from a neighboring family, The Luisettis, who also seemed to think I deserved to be arrested for my religious beliefs. They stated such in their police reports. When this began to become a pattern of filing false reports, we began seeking Police protection FROM them. We were told numerous times that we had no reason to receive their protection, just to ignore them. Yet they continued to file their reports on us. We were told the only we could do is file a Civil Suit. This wouldn't fix the problem for quite awhile if ever.The Police Dept on numerous occasions, even refused to file any reports for us. We had at one point searched out help from Magistrates in the area. One told us that filing these reports was most definitely something the Police could do something about and that they should but he was fairly certain that they wouldn't. He went on a 10 min rant about it to us. He even took the time to gives us copies of the laws on filing false reports, which we took to this Lt Duke, who after realizing we weren't going to leave his office too easily, Then wrote us report stating that the report from the Luisettis was investigated and the allegations were unfounded and seemed to be stemming from harrassement from the neighbors. Now Monday, my 16 yr old son was targeted for their harrassment . In the morning the Luisetti's daughter had a young man assualt him at the bus stop. We filed a report that morning. That afternoon another allegation from their daughter that he beat her up Friday on school property which led to his suspension since the school wouldn't investigate it other than her statement and her 2 friend's statements. She would have been getting on the bus at the time while he was on the other side of the building getting a ride from one of his friends. Then as we were sitting in my garage workshop working on getting the suspension investigated by the school board, waiting to see if the death threat my son received was going to take place. The threat came from the Luisetti's daughter getting a young man to "kill" my son due to the beating she received from him. He was supposed to be coming to our house after school. We were then visited by an irrational Lt. Duke as he whipped into our driveway screaming that Spencer was reported to be brandishing and pointing an assault rifle at the Luisettis. Which isn't even close to what he was doing. Duke then stated that is is tired of all this and someone is going to jail. He didn't care to hear anything we had to to say about our side. Anytime I was trying to say something I was told to shut up or be arrested. He was VERY aggressive and yelling. He seemed to trying to provoke an altercation. I freely admit I was upset and a little loud but I was trying to defend my son. I was never violent or out of control. I was just pissed and trying to make some sense out of the situation. When I was told to shut up I did which seemed to further anger Duke. I was only arrested after they put the cuffs on my son. I then told my Husband to find a f...ing attorney and quick. This was when they arrested me. I was never read my Miranda Rights to this day but the questions they asked me were used in my arrest. Doesn't seem legal to me... My charges of Child Endangerment were due to the fact that we have several legal weapons around a minor. I must inform you my son is an ROTC member with Marine Boot Camp training in weapons, can disassemble/ reassemble an M16 on the field. He was also on the Rifle Team last year and is Athletics Team Commander. He also knew our weapons, from target shooting and cleaning. He even pointed out to the Police Weapons Expert how to release the clip and open the bolt chamber as they couldn't. He is very safe and well versed in weapons. I must point point that is legally old enough to have a hunting license. He is also looking to join the National Guard on his 17th B-Day, Oct 3rd this yr. Upon his 18th B-Day he was planning a Military career. We are proud of him and is a really good person. We are very upset with all the things being alleged about him. To summarize: We are being persecuted because of my spiritual choices, not being Christian. Lt. Duke has a web page stating his religious beliefs and infertility and adoption problems which leads us to the belief that he can no longer separate his personal feelings from his ability to do his job in an objective manner. He seems to have appointed himself as a personal victim's advocate for allegedly neglected and abused children. The fact that I am a practicing witch is being noted in complaints and warrants against me and my family. It has even been voiced in court along with allegations stating I have cast spells on 2 cops and the luisetti family by the solicitor during proceedings. My familiar pyewacket seems to have been mishandled during the search of our home. She was running and flinching from us the day after. I am very hurt by this. Though this can't be proven, I know my animal and this is not her normal behavior. We have always tried to help others and be good people, so this is very hard for us to deal with. I am lucky to have a very strong supportive circle of friends and family or we would still be in jail. My in-laws had to take the majority of their retirement fund for some 20 thousand dollars to hire a powerful law firm to help us. Though I will never be ashamed of being a witch, I am so very sorry for all the trouble and loss of money it has cost them to stand up for us. The reason for this letter is that we need all the help we can find to fight this. Whether it is positive protective energy, advice, or donations to help pay for this. I will not rest until I have made a difference for all that believe in freedom of religion. I don't want this to just disappear, I want to make a stand for all free thinkers against persecution. We all know the squeaky wheel gets the oil. For all that believe in freedom of choice, please stand behind me or even beside me in court while I fight. I am not a quitter and I have a loud voice. I always stand up for what I believe in, all I ask is to not have to stand alone in this. It's time to fight for what we all believe in, not just lie down and take it. I have enclosed the papers that are in my possession to prove my claims. I will include more as they come into my possession. I am not easily scared although they are trying to intimidate us. Threatening phone calls have been made to family and friends even now. In supporting us, you are also supporting yourselves. We are looking to get this story out to as many places as possible. The more people who are aware the harder it will be for them to get aware with it! We NEED your help!!! Blessed be. Rhonda Gruber AKA wickedlilwitch@ gmail.com 843-997-7558 or 843-602-0160 (happy to answer questions) WE NEED THIS TO SPREAD LIKE WILDFIRE PLEASE HELP RALLY SUPPORT FOR RHONDA GRUBERS CASE.. THIS WILL MOST LIKELY BE A MAJOR LANDMARK CASE... INCLUDING THE ACLU MOST LIKELY

Judia 2007-10-19T05:25:24Z