i think the mainstream mentality of animals is wrong. they are just as complex as human beings. in my experiences with psychedelics i have bonded with animals and plants. they have lots of wisdom to share if we take the time to create a link with them. maybe enlightenment is not the word. maybe it is evolved. i have spoken with trees and birds and other animals. when the assemblage point is in the right place they notice you more and try to communicate with you if you are receptive enough.
i think that animals have a similiar choice as us magicians to dive into the unknown and empower themselves. they might be more preoocupied with their lives than us with the hunting and grazing. but that might be their meditation. everyday life. can animals use telepathy?sure. they can astrally project too. i have seen this.
i think that animals have a similiar choice as us magicians to dive into the unknown and empower themselves. they might be more preoocupied with their lives than us with the hunting and grazing. but that might be their meditation. everyday life. can animals use telepathy?sure. they can astrally project too. i have seen this.
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Re: enlightenment in other animals and plants
Wed, April 2, 2008 - 1:45 PMrecently i have done some work with my favorite tree . in a gnostic state without drugs i saw a vine latch on to my arm with a funnel shape at the tip suck out bad vibes when i was feeling bad. it startled me so much i backed away. it looked scary but it didnt feel bad.
i guess i judged it on the way it looked not by the way it felt.
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Re: enlightenment in other animals and plants
Wed, April 2, 2008 - 2:51 PMThe average human is living in a state of ego. Animals and plants have a pre-egoic consciousness, while the mystic and magician seek a trans-egoic state. Since both are operating outside of their ego, there can be a strong bond between the two. But the two states are different. The pre-egoic state is one in which ego is unknown, while the trans-egoic state is one which ecompasses the ego and extends beyond it. -
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Re: enlightenment in other animals and plants
Wed, April 2, 2008 - 3:49 PMi guess a magician can have a more interesting relationship with plants and animals ,but i know people who dont consider themselves magicians and also have interesting relationships with plants and animals. i guess maybe what you are talking about is a more profound relationship like become one with the plant and animal.
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Re: enlightenment in other animals and plants
Sat, April 19, 2008 - 5:28 PMI see all beings as magicians, Some know and some don't.
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Re: enlightenment in other animals and plants
Wed, April 2, 2008 - 8:50 PMSadly, people feel they are not connected with nature. I have connected with plants also. I can connect with animals in base consciousness, but, plants require some assistance.
Perhaps, they are more preoccupied with their lives,,, never thought of it like that.
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Re: enlightenment in other animals and plants
Wed, April 2, 2008 - 9:09 PMthe best "sitter" i've ever had on my psychedelic excursions has been my cat
i believe animals are much more in tune with the emotional/ astral realms, and when you're trippin, they feel it too!
i had one amazing experience with a gigantic tree , ( don't know what kind it was ) , where i i felt that the tree was in connection with the akashic record of the planet, a very wise and ancient teacher, there was just this massive presence and information beaming down into my fragile little shell. i could only ' comprehend' just a fraction of it :) -
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Re: enlightenment in other animals and plants
Wed, April 2, 2008 - 9:15 PMi was out of my body and i saw my ex-pet goat outside of his body too then i went up to it and it reacted exactly the same way awake. it just ran . i think it woke up after that cuz i couldnt see it anymore. i think it was all set up by some other dreamers i met years ago.
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Wed, April 9, 2008 - 10:31 AMAs soon as I settle down to meditate or do any workings, and get my energy flowing, my cat will run in from wherever she is and sit with me. -
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Fri, April 18, 2008 - 1:41 PMi did a wonder an awe enchantent on my tree a few months ago to attract pretty birds and a sapsucker came dug holes on my poor little yggdrasil tree o life. damn !!!! i put a revolting spell specficlly for that bird hope it works( i hear they come back every year to the same tree). sorry guy i was stupid now you have dots and dashes that look like alien wood carvings. ill make it up to you and give you healings .
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Re: enlightenment in other animals and plants
Sat, April 19, 2008 - 11:18 AMI would eat a Human Beingg in the same Light as an Animal
The best way for plant communication is by having a Garden- it is a time spent thing-
animals are complex and the mainstream views of them is to make it easer to eat them..and kill them.
Im not sure sure about the TRANCe Im in- for I do not butcher animals but I sure as hell eat them- i am a hypocrite
