Tribe.net. Local Connections Saul http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/9abb0861-489e-4a22-be7d-bcb34453f272#d629684b-ca18-4f5c-820a-fce8ceaddbd1 2008-07-20T03:50:02Z 2008-07-20T03:50:02Z

oh, and altho I was super big on Carroll for a long time, at this point my intro book suggestion would be Condensed Chaos, or for someone on a limited budget Hine's "Oven Ready Chaos": http://www.philhine.org.uk/writings/pdfs/orchaos.pdf

Saul 2008-07-20T03:50:02Z Saul http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/9abb0861-489e-4a22-be7d-bcb34453f272#ff5a50fd-fb0a-40f8-b26c-38bb520590c0 2008-07-20T03:46:38Z 2008-07-20T03:46:38Z

I didn't think much of Generation Hex. it seemed very sophomoric to me and didn't seem to break any new ground either theoretically or practically. what I really like about the older CMs is that they have this, "here are a bunch of tools we've been playing with - why don't you experiment too?" attitude, while the GH practitioners seemed to be more like, "well, we have Tool X and so we did Y, which is a rather obvious thing to do with Tool X but we introduce no new tools of our own which have more than a personal application"... there were probably exceptions, it's been a while since I read it and I didn't feel the need to reread it, but overall that was my impression.

Saul 2008-07-20T03:46:38Z zeph http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/9abb0861-489e-4a22-be7d-bcb34453f272#5f0159a5-ccd5-4bbb-955b-197431abf9f5 2008-07-19T20:14:14Z 2008-07-19T20:13:39Z

Alltho he dosent consider it 'chaos' - Jan Fries has a good head on his shoulders. you might want to checkout Nick Hall and Ramsey dukes

zeph 2008-07-19T20:13:39Z $item.owner.firstName http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/9abb0861-489e-4a22-be7d-bcb34453f272#16b1c283-0c72-4454-9205-2c48fb99524f 2008-07-14T10:45:21Z 2008-07-14T10:45:21Z

lol@"oh yeah and one more thing"

$item.owner.firstName 2008-07-14T10:45:21Z $item.owner.firstName http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/9abb0861-489e-4a22-be7d-bcb34453f272#a8e12e55-0e03-4444-a089-4b4bb35add8c 2008-07-14T10:44:41Z 2008-07-14T10:44:41Z

I do view commentary and analysis as worthwhile. The problem is that I am an analyst and most of what passes for analysis is so ridden with ethnocentric bias, status quo bias, wishful thinking, parochial interests, premature closure, and outright bullshit that it could be on CNN and fit right in with all the other scripted nonsense. If people developed critical consciousness and learned to perform their own analysis, we would not have libraries full of books about books. What we would have are people who could pick up a book, put it in context and get something out of it. Rather than explaining it to people with their mouths open waiting for the author to vomit, the author would be forced to stand on the shoulders of the writer of the original text. Otherwise, the author would be out of a job.

$item.owner.firstName 2008-07-14T10:44:41Z hermeticbear http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/9abb0861-489e-4a22-be7d-bcb34453f272#a48e31a3-bfb3-4d5e-81f6-7bbf3123c156 2008-07-14T00:19:50Z 2008-07-14T00:19:50Z

for further inspiration read "Generation Hex". That was a fun ride down the rabbit hole for me.

hermeticbear 2008-07-14T00:19:50Z $item.owner.firstName http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/9abb0861-489e-4a22-be7d-bcb34453f272#5615c5f9-8a28-4c66-94db-d0d66b2dc5e6 2008-07-13T23:52:08Z 2008-07-13T23:52:08Z

i recommend phil hine also (my favorite ). liber null and psychonaut is ok MMM is good for a begginer and the rest you can find better info on other books. liber nox aum and lux are too vague. liber kaos is ok too the liber kkk section is a good pratice(i would stay away from pete's harcore fanatical azatoth ritual and use just a booger instead of blood.) the most imporatant thing to know about chaos magick is to be non dogmatic. the meta paradighm of chaos magick and all the colors,discordian and cthulu mumbo jumbo is fine but not my tastes. this is just my opinion of course.In fact i dont even know if i call myslef a chaos magician i just like paradighm exploration and being nondogmatic parts. when i first started out learning about chaos magick i had a problem with the word "chaos"and had a negative feeling towards it. now i kinda just interpret it another way instead. oh yeah like sean said do the practices

$item.owner.firstName 2008-07-13T23:52:08Z Sean http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/9abb0861-489e-4a22-be7d-bcb34453f272#da3e7c4b-f7e9-45bc-9a00-6ed1ba60e167 2008-07-13T22:26:18Z 2008-07-13T22:26:18Z

Oh yeah, one other thing: You won't really understand the practice and application unless you do the practices, no matter what you read.

Sean 2008-07-13T22:26:18Z Sean http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/9abb0861-489e-4a22-be7d-bcb34453f272#31418a07-c282-4842-94c0-c36b2be79487 2008-07-13T22:24:15Z 2008-07-13T22:24:15Z

I would read ''Liber Null & Psychonaut' (Do the practices!!), and also Phil Hine's 'Condensed Chaos', the latter for a contrasting, practical view of the same body of knowledge. If you want to stay in a relatively defined 'Occult' paradigm, that's enough to get you going (as long as you do the practices). If you want branch out from that and go Out of Your Mind, then include Robert Anton Wilson's 'Cosmic Trigger' and 'The New Inquisition' as supplemental reading (some of the practices suggested in these books are not as defined, but still highly recommended).

Sean 2008-07-13T22:24:15Z Psyche http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/9abb0861-489e-4a22-be7d-bcb34453f272#0bfece14-bcbf-4c4e-877e-b98841e3b3d9 2008-07-13T19:39:45Z 2008-07-13T19:39:45Z

I'm not sure what you mean by "wrote books about books" not being worth the time? Do you mean you don't view commentary and analysis as worthwhile?

Psyche 2008-07-13T19:39:45Z $item.owner.firstName http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/9abb0861-489e-4a22-be7d-bcb34453f272#09b61bcf-d395-4d2a-bb67-b5e570325ac0 2008-07-13T19:24:03Z 2008-07-13T19:24:03Z

Phil Hine is another one to read... I'm sorry I left him out of the original post.

$item.owner.firstName 2008-07-13T19:24:03Z $item.owner.firstName http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/9abb0861-489e-4a22-be7d-bcb34453f272#47941c72-7401-46c8-89cf-b7b8aa43efb9 2008-07-13T19:23:27Z 2008-07-13T19:23:27Z

I'd read anything you can by Austin Osman Spare, Peter J. Carroll, and Ray Sherwin. All these other people who wrote books about books are not worth the time, in my opinion.

$item.owner.firstName 2008-07-13T19:23:27Z Psyche http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/9abb0861-489e-4a22-be7d-bcb34453f272#d6a218c6-0f8e-4828-9ad9-44e9dc9685a5 2008-07-13T16:20:14Z 2008-07-13T16:20:14Z

Ironically, you've listed one in the title for this thread. Understanding Chaos Magic by Jaq D. Hawkins gives some background on its history. Additionally you'll want to read some of the foundational texts, such as Liber Null and Psychonaut by Peter J. Carroll and the Book of Results by Ray Sherwin. I've listed my top five recommended books on Plutonica.net with more detailed explanations here: http://plutonica.net/2008/04/02/top-5-books-on-chaos-magick/ I printed a more lengthy list for a workshop I gave on chaos magick last year, reproduced on SpiralNature.com here: http://www.spiralnature.com/magick/chaos/psycheslistofcmp.html Best of luck.

Psyche 2008-07-13T16:20:14Z $item.owner.firstName http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/9abb0861-489e-4a22-be7d-bcb34453f272#948f8164-797b-4a65-b0ec-998e237a1ab8 2008-07-12T16:35:04Z 2008-07-12T16:35:04Z

http://www.philhine.org.uk/writings/index_e-books.html Good place to start because you can start reading right away, and the first book is very simple Have to run, will write a longer response later, just want you to know that someone saw your post. Also check out http://chaoslibrary.tribe.net/ I don't know if the post is still up, but I think I got a link to an occult book torrent from there. They have a newly appointed moderator who seems promising ciao AJ

$item.owner.firstName 2008-07-12T16:35:04Z Azazeal http://chaosmagick.tribe.net/thread/9abb0861-489e-4a22-be7d-bcb34453f272#53f1002f-da45-471b-89c7-4522b43a9d93 2008-07-12T06:35:35Z 2008-07-12T06:35:35Z

Can anyone recommend a book that discusses the origin, practice, and application of Chaos Magick?

Azazeal 2008-07-12T06:35:35Z