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i have had strangers (maybe not) in my dreams these days teaching me about kinestetic dreaming. basically anythind you can feel in the real world can be memorized to be done in the dream world. i will give an example. just today i had a lucid dream or astral projection of being in my parents house. the house looked the same except the furniture. my dream guide urged me to not go outside because someone might see me. so i wandered around in a lucid state. then the dream changed or the astral projection turned into a dream. i was play fighting with a friend and he tickled me so much i woke up. so in dreaming with others i learned i can tickle someone. there is so much that can be done in dream life. i wonder if you can reverse it. i have had flying dreams and levitation dreams and feeling a certain energy sensation while doing it . to memorize my dream life and make it happen in my waking life. damn i have a long ways to go. im such a fucking novice.
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Re: kinestetic dreaming
Wed, October 22, 2008 - 11:35 AMEver heard of Antero Alli? if not you may enjoy this www.paratheatrical.com/recali...on.html
he seems to have developed a way of using dream movements as ritual dance triggers for more interaction with the dream body... i think...
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Re: kinestetic dreaming
Thu, October 23, 2008 - 10:54 AMyou are one of the lucky ones who can achieve that. I cannot seem to lucid dream successfully, and my own personal dream life is very limited. However, I do seem to have a knack at dream interpretation, so, it seems to all work out. I don't think you are a novice at all -
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Thu, October 23, 2008 - 11:17 AMinterpretation seems, to me, to be a distraction from living... dont interpretations just mediate actual experience? -
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Fri, October 24, 2008 - 7:39 PMI am glad you saw my answer in the spirit it was meant to be taken. with humor. honestly, I don't know. I do like Singhilarity's answer though. It helped me come up with I think a better answer to your question.
Interpretation is an experience as well.
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Re: kinestetic dreaming
Fri, October 24, 2008 - 11:41 AMTo the extent to which one attempts to interpret, and then double check, and make sure that it really was this way - yes.
To the extent that one can see it, and readily identify which (sometimes of many) facet of one's life spoke, and how one can apply it effectively... very practical, indeed. -
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Sat, October 25, 2008 - 7:30 AMIF; the waking body sleeps in order to dream the dream body awake, and the dream body awakens in order to wake the waking body...
Then; what would the dream body's INTERPRETATION be of our waking lives?
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Sat, October 25, 2008 - 11:56 PMI think there's a slight logic gap in the statement presented...
If sleeping wakes the dream body, and waking the dream body wakes the waking body... we just don't get any sleep, and Morpheus starts panhandling...
That said, I think I'm following the intended communication;
Wherin we attempt to interpret the content of our dreams in waking consciousness,
how does our dream self interpret our own actions in the universe?
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I see dream-mind as the wireframe, and waking mind (Flesh) as the surface. Surface changes impact our consciousness, which feeds into modifications of the wireframe...
mathworld.wolfram.com/images/...1000.gif
www.ima.umn.edu/2005-2006/...ill_med.jpg
These two models are where it gets fun 'cause, of course, they have no inside and no outside - but they still have a *surface*
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I think a big part of asking the dream body would involve a shit ton of responsibility to change in the material.
Props to those who can achieve it.
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I've had a few occasions where I gave myself missions to achieve during dream time.
It's something I'd like to work on, increasingly...
I'm particularly interested in the potential it allows for shapeshifting, but I think construction of a dream body comes first. -
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Sun, October 26, 2008 - 1:44 PMwhat do you mean by shapeshifting. do you mean changing the appearance of the dreambody because thats quite easy it can be done awake or asleep.
for example i made myself look buff or i was messing around with people dream bodies one day in an angry state gave them black eyes missing teeth etc....
they got me back when i saw myslef in the mirror in a dream but i quiclky corrected it. -
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Sun, October 26, 2008 - 1:59 PMalso what do you mean by construction of the dreambody? -
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Sun, October 26, 2008 - 2:23 PMConstruction of the dreambody refers to precisely the phenomenon it describes - Construction of a stable, consciousness constructed, vehicle for lucid exploration of the realms behind our eyes.
Shapeshifting operates on many levels. Dreaming and awake (although perhaps merely with my waking body appearing to be lying down, unmoving), experiments with assuming totemic forms and exploring the waking consciousness with/as them.
If I transform into a raven, and see people at the beach, and then later recount with those people and hear them talk about a strange encounter with a raven, I'll know I'm on the proper vector. -
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This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
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Tue, October 28, 2008 - 11:47 AMactually im very interested in construction of the dreambody idea your talking about .can you talk a bit about how you go about doing that and what are your experiences with that? i would appreciate it very much since i and other people reading this thread have interest in this topic.
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