I was curious to see if anyone else has ever utilized tattoos (or any other kind of body mod) for a ritual or magical purpose.
I personally find them to be extremely useful, and am somewhat surprised that I never hear more regarding their use.
Take into consideration the elements involved in a tattoo.
First, there is a certain amount of pain involved, and pain is always a useful way in which one can attain a trance state for magical workings.
Second, tattooing is basically a personal blood sacrifice, in a sense. There is such a deep mental connection between blood, life and magic that the use of blood appears in almost every system of magic in one form or another, even on a symbolic level. One would think that any symbol designed in blood would take on a particularly high magical significance.
Third, the tattoo basically becomes a living sigil. It becomes a part of the person and partakes of the person’s vitality (since it is a part of the skin). It’s not something that can be simply “forgotten”, since it is always present on the person.
Once created, a tattoo could be activated during a ritual through trance or anointment. Or it could simply have a continual effect on a person.
One would think that there would be more information out there regarding this. (Or perhaps I am just looking in the wrong spots.)
Any thoughts? :)
I personally find them to be extremely useful, and am somewhat surprised that I never hear more regarding their use.
Take into consideration the elements involved in a tattoo.
First, there is a certain amount of pain involved, and pain is always a useful way in which one can attain a trance state for magical workings.
Second, tattooing is basically a personal blood sacrifice, in a sense. There is such a deep mental connection between blood, life and magic that the use of blood appears in almost every system of magic in one form or another, even on a symbolic level. One would think that any symbol designed in blood would take on a particularly high magical significance.
Third, the tattoo basically becomes a living sigil. It becomes a part of the person and partakes of the person’s vitality (since it is a part of the skin). It’s not something that can be simply “forgotten”, since it is always present on the person.
Once created, a tattoo could be activated during a ritual through trance or anointment. Or it could simply have a continual effect on a person.
One would think that there would be more information out there regarding this. (Or perhaps I am just looking in the wrong spots.)
Any thoughts? :)
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Sun, April 24, 2005 - 6:24 PMI on the same boat and your right, there isn't a lot of info on it. However, as you most likely know, you have to go through it to understand the effect. -
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Sun, April 24, 2005 - 7:17 PMThe whole concept of body mod for ritual use has been part of humanity's culture for millenia, and yet it seems to have escaped the notice of most modern magicians.
I'm especially surprised at those who favor modern Shamanism that they haven't utilized this to a greater extent. It seems almost intuitive.
However, I do believe that you are correct. You have to go through it to understand it.
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Sun, April 24, 2005 - 10:11 PMThe vast majority of people I know who have tattoos have done them ritually or the tattoos have personal meaning or symbolism. There's tons of info available on tribal stuff, maori, etc. Look up Fakir Musafar at the very least.
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Sun, April 24, 2005 - 11:10 PMIf I ever worked with, say, an indigenous group of people who used tattoos as part of their initiatory process, I would have the marks appropriate to my involvement.
I have no tattoos, nor would I seem likely, at my age, to ever start. The main reason for me not having tattoos, even though I have strong connections to symbols in my own AOS for example, comes down to permanence. Whenever I have thought about making some image indelible, I find myself freezing in situ and thinking "no, I need stay fluid in mind" ... as simple as that.
I do, however, use body/face paints in ritual, at times, and find that most effective to impress the mind.
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Mon, April 25, 2005 - 5:24 AMThanks, teamnoir, for the info. I'm going to check that one out. :)
And Su, I know someone that got her first tattoo well in her 60's. :) You can get a tattoo at any age!
And as far as staying fluid goes, keep in mind that one can always reinterpret the tattoos that one has. I know that personally my own tattoos have taken on different meanings as time went on. They never stayed completely stable in meaning for me. :)
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Mon, April 25, 2005 - 8:33 AMSome nine months ago, I'd still have firmly stated that tattoos were a permanent modification and that since the river is never the same twice, I would never have one.
Besides, inwardly, I had this naggging intuition (rightly or wrongly, doesn't matter) that tattoos were once (?) used as a sacrficial pledge to the land... that it somehow meant you'd be willing to "engage in the myth of the eternal return" to safeguard the earth that gave you life... (?)... and I thought that I'd never willingly return...
Never say never.
He died.
Tattooless because I had argued him out of it... funny how life is...
And I carried on like a mad banshee and later on, I wrote a ton of words and waved my magic mouse around until my fingers ached...
"Love does unexpected things to a person. It gives him or her the ability to look past the incidentals of their lives and offers instead the unparalleled opportunity to recognize and gaze fondly at the God/dess
spark dwelling within each other.
It's killing me, this drowning sense of both pure unselfish & selfish love
and overflowing longing for the Beloved who disguised as the beloved, oh
so gently tapped open the door into my heart and blew it to smithereens...
leaving a gaping door behind in the wake of his passing... there's nothing
left now for me to see except the whole world, the stars, the moon & so
many pairs of glinting eyes that words fail me.
I could shatter things, I could shout, I could whisper, I could kiss the ground beneath me and press my forehead against each pair of hands that fold in front of me. But I just sigh and smile instead, with a tear meandering in the eyelashes, the message is already out. It's been out in circulation since before the time of the Vedas. Siddhartha contemplated It. Yeshua lived It. Rumi longed for It. St. John stayed awake through his long night for It. Meister Eckhart craved to give birth to It. With the advent of quantum physics, It has outfitted itself with the glittering gown of monistic idealism.
Everyone and everything is in the Beloved.
Pain can be such a paradoxical doorway into the numinous beauty of Life...
yet how I wish not to have been dragged across its threshold...
All I can tell you is that love transcends space-time.
We are individual structures in the tangled hierarchy of the Quantum
Consciousness.
We are cells in the body of God/dess.
Parallel meanings in the languages of science and religion...."
And I went to get a tattoo of my own design in memory of the Beloved's mask.
The process lasted almost four hours and it was painful, yes.
But, seeking to relief a larger pain with a minor one doesn't work.
That part of the process was based on human error.
But as a symbol of my surrender to the Beloved, it served its purpose.
Sorry for the length of this post, it started as a short thing...
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Mon, April 25, 2005 - 12:03 PMEddie I think that tatoos for ritual purposes are more common than you think. Since I tuned myself in to the frequencies of the western occult I've noticed a great many "interesting" looking people with occult symbols tatooed on their hands and forearms. Also I've noticed a number of recurring symbols much smaller and simpler in nature that seem to dentoe group affiliations. Granted I do live in a city which claims to be the occult capitol of North America, with good reason.
I'm in the opposite boat. It is for ritual purposes that I keep my body completley unmodified. The nature of my magic is constantly changing, and I don't believe that to simply change your outlook on a symbol would change the way that symbol interacts with the aether in your aura or the general akasha. For the same reason I wear no amulets or jewlery or antyhing of the sort, allthough I may be inclined to the latter at some other point in my life. -
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Mon, April 25, 2005 - 1:48 PMI'm personally more of the mindset that it is our thoughts about the symbol that give it power, not that the symbol itself has any innate power, and to change our mind about the symbol changes the energy of the symbol.
While certain symbols might resonate with people in similar ways, I don't believe that symbols have an ultimate energy attached to them. Rather, it is a function of the mind that attributes that energy to them and it is the thought that determines the result rather then the symbol. -
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Mon, April 25, 2005 - 11:44 PM>>I'm personally more of the mindset that it is our thoughts about the symbol that give it power, not that the symbol itself has any innate power, and to change our mind about the symbol changes the energy of the symbol. <<
I took a lot of classes on symbols in college, and the scholarly definition of a symbol is: "a word, image, or concept that has no inherent meaning, but gives off reflections of meaning, slightly different for each person who beholds it". George Herbert Mead is the sociologist who originally derfined them thus, but nowdays it's a commonly accepted definition (and one that works very well operationally, I might add). The lay definition of symbol, to scholars, is called a sign. That's a word or image that directly refers to something else. Hence, no one argues about the meaning of a stop sign, but everyone can argue about the meaning of christ on the cross (or on a rubber crutch, for that matter). I mention this all by way of 1.) agreeing with Eddie, and 2.) offering what perspective I have to bear on it.
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Wed, April 27, 2005 - 1:03 PMNow I am ardent reader of science fiction & fantasy and I would like to dip into that venue for a moment. One of the writers that I admire when it comes to magick is Larry Niven. He had a character that appeared in several of his stories who was only known as The Warlock due to his true name having been forgotten and even when it was known almost impossible to pronounce. On his back was a tattoo of a pentagram that housed a servitor.
If anyone would care to read some of this venue one title is "The Magic May Return" edited by Larry Niven and published by Ace Books. The opening page of the book states:
"You were born to live with magic. We all were, the whole human race. We're never more than half alive unless we have it......."
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Mon, April 25, 2005 - 2:34 PMI think that tatoos are a great form of magckal expression. I've used them my self. After a series of rituals to stabilize some anger management issues I had in my 20's, I had a tatoo done that both symbolizes the personification of my inner anger (as part of the naming and reconciliation process). For me, both the image it's self and the location are symbolic, as I also do a lot of qabalistic work, it's tattooed where the 'sphere' of geburah/mars would be to further the identification.
It's worked well in it's intent. Such a tatoo is like a sigil that one sees daily every time one looks in the mirror. Combined with the actual physical process of pain and process and intent that goes into a personal tatoo it' seems to be a natural match. Especially for long term change in one's life. One can loose a sigil or forget an intent, but a tatoo stares back at you at every turn till you visit the plastic surgeon with the laser.... -
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Mon, April 25, 2005 - 10:35 PMG'day Peter and everyone
I think you score points on my problem bro i.e. "One can loose a sigil or forget an intent, but a tatoo stares back at you at every turn till you visit the plastic surgeon with the laser...."
I do not forget anything, ever.
In fact, I even pride myself on my memory (grins)
Su
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Mon, April 25, 2005 - 10:58 PMI don't have a whole lot of tattoos, but all of the ones i do have were for a magickal purpose. I have spirals going up my arms, clockworked chaos arrows on the left, and atom chains going up the right. These were done when I took my first two initiations, both to signify the task of integration of order/chaos, left brain/right brain, mass/energy, milk/cookies, etc..., and to give myself the primary tools of such an endeavor. Also, Mercury's wings on my feet, as an act of dedication, and a personal (but very identifiable) interpretation of the 16th Trump on my back, for reasons that i'd rather leave alone for right now (suffice it to say that 1+6=7, destruction implies creation, and back is the opposite of front). Actually on second thought, I would like to add this footnote about that back tattoo, it's a lyric from my favorite rock group, Devo: "Laugh all you want to/and say you don't care/if you can't see it/you think it's not there/it doesn't work that way/Peek-a-boo!" Anyway, Xiqual Udinbak, y'all. -
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Tue, April 26, 2005 - 8:54 AMHi Eddi,
The book "Modern Primitives" (if you don't already have it) features great research and images tracing body mod practices from traditional roots into modern magickal and neo-tribalist society.
A friend of mine once called tattoos "psychic armor" and this really stuck with me. A tattoo done with intent seems like a servitor, perhaps. Always there working for you ...
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Tue, April 26, 2005 - 11:09 AMmy one tattoo consists of a Moorish lace pattern over my heart. the lines form a flower with an empty space in the center in the shape of a valentine heart. it expresses my most enduring value: love. i got it at the age of 28 as a ritual reclamation of my body after having gone through (like most males in this society) the stupidity of infant circumscision. i'm now 43 & have never regretted getting it. at most i'll get 2 more, 1 on each arm just below the shoulders...i like symmetry. they'll have a magickal intent. i don't want to say more till i actually get 'em, though.
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Wed, April 27, 2005 - 12:00 PMI have three sigil tattoos.
one is just a monogram in honour of my old name,
the other two are alphabet of desire tatts.
One design I waited until I forgot what it was for before I had it tattooed.
The other I remember, but tell no one.
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Wed, April 27, 2005 - 3:05 PMI was recently tattooed for a ritual purpose in UV ink. Once the tattoo fully heals, it will be invisible (or nearly invisible if it scars) under regular light, but will glow under black light.
One possible use I was theorizing for this kind of tattoo would be to use black light during a ritual to activate the power of the tattoo/sigil.
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Wed, April 27, 2005 - 3:14 PMNo shit!! UV ink!
How much more was that then regular ($$$, process, ect.) and was it readily available or did you have to hunt it out? I never even thought about it till now! -
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Wed, April 27, 2005 - 5:04 PMNOW you have my attention (grins) ... tell us more
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Thu, April 28, 2005 - 9:00 AMLol. UV ink. I've been considering that one since I first heard about it.
Here in the SF Bay area, there are entire midnight blacklight bowling leagues.
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Wed, April 27, 2005 - 6:17 PMYeah I'm curious about this, it has many possibilites. -
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Mon, May 2, 2005 - 8:22 AMWow, didn't know that UV ink would get so much attention. :)
I actually had to hunt out the ink myself, and a UV lamp, and I found a willing tattooist to do it. :)
You can actually see what the tattoo looks like (both under normal light and UV light) on my website:
www.EddieGarou.com/
Now keep in mind that it is still healing. Once it is fully healed, I am going to post pics again of it. Right now, it still looks like a scar. Once fully healed, it should be invisible. (Or near invisible.)
I'm actually thinking of doing a couple more. Maybe some personal sigils on my forearms. I might even have my blackwork tatts outlined. -
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Sat, May 14, 2005 - 12:26 AMHi Su,
UV tattoo cool!!!!
Another idea is to look atarole playing game such legend of the five rings for example and scame ideas from that. They have a lot of tattoo 'magic" in there much of which is drek but there are some useful ideas I think.
Yeah, I do body painting with my students every Friday. Great fun.
Gongchime
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Mon, May 16, 2005 - 9:47 PMI've played around with this exact idea for a few years! It's great that someone brought it up!
UV ink huh? ...wish I would've thought of that... hehe
Anyway, I had my personal sigil tattooed over my 3rd chakra (for easier energy induction).
What I do to activate it is this: I use my black permanent marker to 'tag' my sigil almost everywhere I go, short of people's homes. I put it in an easy to see place in restrooms, places of business, etc. Then, I'm hoping, when people look at it, they wonder, "What the fuck is that?!" or something to that effect. Essentially, their attention on my sigil powers it up. Occasionally, when I come across one, I'll visualize myself channeling the energy from my tagged sigil, to my tattoo, into my 3rd chakra. Simple as that.
...seems like it works, because every time I do it, I feel a little bit better/energized. I suppose that it's kinda vampiric, but I don't give a damn. Besides, the energy I get from each one is almost always slight. It's worth it though, considering the simplicity and potential abundance of energy you could generate.
I don't think that a tattoo would be absolutely needed though. Anyone could do it just by tagging their sigil and absorbing the energy later on by their chosen method.
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Thu, May 19, 2005 - 8:46 AMYes I am in the process of using magik with my newest tattoo. The dragon is something deep and primal and I'm doing this as a gift to my dragon. My dragon protects me and teaches me hard lessons in life. I don't really like to talk about it much, since it has a lot of deep meaning to me, and is very very personal. So I'm not going to going any further.
thanks
Eeklsy
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Fri, May 20, 2005 - 3:21 PMAs the first examples of tattooing (at least that we've discovered so far) were magical, I am amazed that they seem to be used very rarely for this purpose nowdays. I am both a tattoo artist & heavily into chaos magic (I worship Set, via myself) & do a few magic-related tattoos but nowhere near as many as I would have thought. The earliest recorded examples of tattooing discovered to date were found on an Ice-age Scythian hunter found frozen in a glacier. They consisted of various patterns and totem animals over the arms leading into a trail of reindeer across the upper back. It is theorised that their purpose was to attract the animal & bring success in the hunt -
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Sun, May 22, 2005 - 3:51 AMDo you have a link to view that?
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Fri, May 27, 2005 - 11:47 AMnot as such, but our site has a link to a tattooed ice-age hunter which should lead to more info. Go to alleycatz.curvedspaces.com/link.html & click on the link to the ice-age hunter.
For those looking into UV tattooing we have a fair bit of info at
alleycatz.curvedspaces.com/Blac....html
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Thu, June 2, 2005 - 10:36 AMKevin, i like what i see...but when you get a chance, please upload a photo that reveals the WHOLE thing. thanky.
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Fri, June 3, 2005 - 11:02 PMI have a tattoo of Zain on my middrift, eye of horus above a serpent. Rather large. A black cobra on my left lower back. In the future, I plan to get another cobra on the right hand side and a dragon on my spine.
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Sat, June 4, 2005 - 5:10 PMOk, this is a subject near and dear to my heart. At the ripe old age of 41 (almost 42) I've had the desire for a tattoo. I have thought of sigils but I would like my first one to be of Cho-Ku-Rei, the Reiki symbol. What prevents me is the fact that I have a lot of allergies. Is there any way to find out if you are allergic or not to the ink? I have heard of people have reactions. That bothers me more than anything. -
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Sat, June 4, 2005 - 9:14 PMWell, I've personally heard that the most reactive inks are colors, since they are usually metalic based. Black tends to be the least reactive of all tattoo inks, since it is carbon based.
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Fri, June 10, 2005 - 3:54 PMTrue enough as a generality, but bear in mind that not all blacks are carbon based. A lot of inks are surfacing now with plastics in them, & this causes reactions in some people. I recently saw a reaction from a black we've used with good results for years. I'm unsure whether the formulation has been changed or the client was hypersensitive. End result: black binned, new brand of choice! Red is probably the most reactive colour, especially in cases of obvious or latent insulin dependence. Best advice: find an experienced, reputable artist, as he's earned his rep by ensuring that he's doing his utmost for his client's well-being, including using colours with the best records of stability.
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Sat, June 4, 2005 - 10:42 PMif you bothered by it than dont do it untill you have researched the inks. however go slowly in choosing your art and then after much contemplation on your concept get a well known tatoo artist. my two cents.
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Tue, January 23, 2007 - 9:27 AMokay, i'll admit it, i got a big tattoo from a magick book. the artist put in on clean, it is obvious. i didn't ritualize anything besides photocopying it, presenting it, and sitting through it getting put on. sometimes i make believe that people who use it for magickal purposes, i might get blown a spell. i like getting nervous when i'm bare backed, like someone is going to recognize it and their eyes will squint with disapproval, like i didn't make the glamour cut.... -
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 10:32 PMI'd like to get a face tattoo with UV light...
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 10:56 PMAll my tattoos have spiritual/esoteric symbolism. I didn't really think of them as sigils at the time(because I wasn't familiar with them at the time), but they definitely have that aspect. There was enough pain with my tattoos to charge them up good. I'd say I definitely an influence from them in my life, and I look forward to more magickal tattoos in the future. -
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 8:23 PMthere is one good photographic collection of traditional southeast asian Yantra tattoos that I have: www.amazon.com/Tattoos-In.../ref=sr_1_1
that in particular is a practice I have a lot of interest in, but I have not been back to southeast asia for more than a day (en route elsewhere) since '03
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Tue, April 15, 2008 - 1:27 AMDeadjellyfish gave an excellent retort when confronted with this question.
I will paraphrase: If you are okay with destroying it after you charge it. Things can, and often do, go awry. You won't want to keep the tattoo after you have made a magical association with it.
I would say, "Fogetaboudit." But, maybe you like sandpaper, laser, or whatever to remove tattoos that didn't work out magically?
The best laid plans of mice and men.....